As Meta scales its AI infrastructure past five gigawatts, Mark Zuckerberg (founder and CEO, Meta) and Alexandr Wang (Chief AI Officer, Meta Superintelligence Labs) join John for a pint to discuss the launch of Muse Wonder and the future of personal AI agents.
In this episode, Mark and Alex open up about the creation of Meta Superintelligence Labs (MSL), the decision to execute a complete talent reboot, and what it really feels like to make a $100B+ CapEx commitment before knowing if the model will work. They dive deep into the architecture of Muse Wonder—including active memory, multimodal perception, and frontier coding—while laying out their vision for agentic commerce, hardware form factors like smart glasses, and why superintelligence belongs in the hands of billions.
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Key moments
00:00:24 Muse’s breakout use cases
00:07:28 Why the model is the product
00:14:35 Meet Muse Wonder
00:24:56 How frontier models are actually built
00:48:26 Betting $100B
01:07:21 Agentic commerce
01:19:34 OpenRouter
01:20:06 Beyond the smartphone
01:27:00 Funding
01:34:06 Why AI won’t be winner-take-all
01:40:46 Meta Superintelligence Labs (MSL)
02:08:11 Working for Mark Zuckerberg
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