Today’s tech industry can’t survive without mass surveillance. The US government, foreign powers, and ad brokers can buy a nuanced picture of you on the open market for pennies on the dollar. What kept this data from becoming a weapon was friction. Nobody had the time or resources to pull these scattered pieces of you together. Until AI came along and made the impossible trivial.
In this episode, Signal President Meredith Whittaker reveals how the same three cloud giants that run the Pentagon's classified workloads now train and deploy the AI systems making sense of every text, search, and movement we have ever surrendered. Privacy, she argues, is the precondition for a democracy and a full human life, and the time to protect it is running out.
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Mentioned in this Episode:
Why A Liberal Arts Education Will Soon Be More Valuable Than Ever — Nils Gilman (Article, 2026)
The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Me Its War Plans — Jeffrey Goldberg, The Atlantic (Article, 2025)
M-Lab (Measurement Lab) — Co-founded by Meredith Whittaker (Open data platform)
Where to find Meredith Whittaker:Signal — President
X / Twitter — @mer__edith
Bluesky — @meredithmeredith.bsky.social
Mastodon — @Mer__edith@mastodon.world
AI Now Institute — Co-founder and Chief Advisor
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Executive Producers: Nicolas Berggruen, Nathan Gardels, Nils Gilman, Dawn Nakagawa, & Jason Hoch
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June 30, 2026